2025 Attendance Tracker

[marcoloco]

What’s our new capacity?

Assuming North Stand is seating not standing.

Circa 4.5k?

[dcfc_jp_1989]

What’s our new capacity?

Assuming North Stand is seating not standing.

Circa 4.5k?

Yes. Hopefully the issue of the metal feet on the seats in the new North Stand will be rectified for next season & it can serve the purpose it was built for - safe standing

[marcoloco]

I personally don’t believe there’s 2700 ppl wanting to stand through most league games.

I think in the vary rare occasions the stand will lend itself to standing

If we get into Europe or if we are challenging for a league title there may be a handful of games but i think the norm will be as its currently used or a hybrid form

Hopefully good news will follow soon on further investment for completion of MF stand

[attack!attack!attack]

What’s our new capacity?

Assuming North Stand is seating not standing.

Circa 4.5k?

Yes. Hopefully the issue of the metal feet on the seats in the new North Stand will be rectified for next season & it can serve the purpose it was built for - safe standing

They can be easily grinded off within a week.

We are limiting ourselves by not cramming as many as we can into that stand.

If we have big games, you'd get 2.8k in there easy.

[attack!attack!attack]

I personally don’t believe there’s 2700 ppl wanting to stand through most league games.

I think in the vary rare occasions the stand will lend itself to standing

If we get into Europe or if we are challenging for a league title there may be a handful of games but i think the norm will be as its currently used or a hybrid form

Hopefully good news will follow soon on further investment for completion of MF stand

Exactly my thinking. Once MF Stand is competed - they can emphasise the North Stand as a standing terrace (for expanding capacity purposes), as we will have plenty of seating.

It will all take time, but we will have a nice ground once we get there.

[dcfc_jp_1989]

What’s our new capacity?

Assuming North Stand is seating not standing.

Circa 4.5k?

Yes. Hopefully the issue of the metal feet on the seats in the new North Stand will be rectified for next season & it can serve the purpose it was built for - safe standing

They can be easily grinded off within a week.

We are limiting ourselves by not cramming as many as we can into that stand.

If we have big games, you'd get 2.8k in there easy.

I don't think its as easy as that

[attack!attack!attack]

Yes. Hopefully the issue of the metal feet on the seats in the new North Stand will be rectified for next season & it can serve the purpose it was built for - safe standing

They can be easily grinded off within a week.

We are limiting ourselves by not cramming as many as we can into that stand.

If we have big games, you'd get 2.8k in there easy.

I don't think its as easy as that

I'd do it for them, very good price

[stevebradley]

The reason for not releasing attendance is DC best interests say no more and ask no questions.

Presumably you're referring to VAT charged on ticket sales in NI ? If so, that doesn't stack up as a reason :

1) We announced the attendances to every other home game up to the Shels one this season (and started doing so at the end of last season from memory). So we HAVE been releasing attendance figures.

2) You don't pay VAT on attendance figures. You pay it on the revenue received for ticket sales. You could have 5,000 people at a game, of which 4,999 got in for free, so you'd only pay VAT on that one remaining ticket sale. Attendances also don't reflect the split betwene full-price and child/concession tickets either. So the revenue is not the same as the attendance declared.

3) The VAT argument might have been valid back in the day when ticket sales were being done in cash. But these days I would guess the vast majority are bought either online or via bank transfers/DD (i.e. season tickets). So presumably there is a very clear paper trail for the money brought in for the vast majority of tickets sold. Therefore, VAT would be impossible to avoid except on the small minority of residual cash sales via outlets.

4) I appreciate that we're technically at a disadvantage as the only club in the league that has to pay VAT. But that's just the way it is and a fact of life. There'll be other things that work in our favour in that regard (e.g. the cost of most things in Derry is likely to be lower than it is in the south IMO). It's just the way it is and something we have to deal with.

5) We're a professional football club and got in trouble in the past (twice) for trying to be too clever over things like contracts, financial shenanigans etc. We need to just suck it up and pay what's due IMO. Act professional if we want to be professional.

6) Irish League clubs have to release their attendances (and they face VAT too, whilst also allowing pay at the gate which we haven't for decades).

[attack!attack!attack]

The reason for not releasing attendance is DC best interests say no more and ask no questions.

Presumably you're referring to VAT charged on ticket sales in NI ? If so, that doesn't stack up as a reason :

1) We announced the attendances to every other home game up to the Shels one this season (and started doing so at the end of last season from memory). So we HAVE been releasing attendance figures.

2) You don't pay VAT on attendance figures. You pay it on the revenue received for ticket sales. You could have 5,000 people at a game, of which 4,999 got in for free, so you'd only pay VAT on that one remaining ticket sale. Attendances also don't reflect the split betwene full-price and child/concession tickets either. So the revenue is not the same as the attendance declared.

3) The VAT argument might have been valid back in the day when ticket sales were being done in cash. But these days I would guess the vast majority are bought either online or via bank transfers/DD (i.e. season tickets). So presumably there is a very clear paper trail for the money brought in for the vast majority of tickets sold. Therefore, VAT would be impossible to avoid except on the small minority of residual cash sales via outlets.

4) I appreciate that we're technically at a disadvantage as the only club in the league that has to pay VAT. But that's just the way it is and a fact of life. There'll be other things that work in our favour in that regard (e.g. the cost of most things in Derry is likely to be lower than it is in the south IMO). It's just the way it is and something we have to deal with.

5) We're a professional football club and got in trouble in the past (twice) for trying to be too clever over things like contracts, financial shenanigans etc. We need to just suck it up and pay what's due IMO. Act professional if we want to be professional.

6) Irish League clubs have to release their attendances (and they face VAT too, whilst also allowing pay at the gate which we haven't for decades).

I agree 100% Steve. Trying to be 'clever' is no excuse here for not releasing attendances.

The club are amateur when it comes to stuff like this, so poor.

Release the figures and build a buzz - getting crowds of 4k+ is something to shout about.

[magspat]

Yous have very little to annoy you about attendances at matches,points on the board all that counts,

[rodgers]

Will we get the two attendances announced? Depending on the next two away games, and if tickets are marketed early, the Rovers game could be a total sellout which would be fantastic to see and at a good point in time to emphasise why we need the Mark Farren completed.

Of course, without any knowledge of what attendance are, it will be hard to publicise any of this.

[attack!attack!attack]

Will we get the two attendances announced? Depending on the next two away games, and if tickets are marketed early, the Rovers game could be a total sellout which would be fantastic to see and at a good point in time to emphasise why we need the Mark Farren completed.

Of course, without any knowledge of what attendance are, it will be hard to publicise any of this.

We should have 5k at the Rovers game. I emphasise SHOULD, because that is dependent on club marketing and publicisation of rising attendances to encourage further buy in.

This all boils down to how the club is run, but I'm not even going to open that can of worms today.

[TenaciousDee]

Can I ask why the sudden obsession from the support to hear and read the attendance number? Is it a measurement of "being a big club"? I ask as I don't understand after years of estimations being reported and no-one really batting an eye.

[PauliAlonso]

Can I ask why the sudden obsession from the support to hear and read the attendance number? Is it a measurement of "being a big club"? I ask as I don't understand after years of estimations being reported and no-one really batting an eye.

Just something else to moan about, I'd imagine.

[marcoloco]

Can I ask why the sudden obsession from the support to hear and read the attendance number? Is it a measurement of "being a big club"? I ask as I don't understand after years of estimations being reported and no-one really batting an eye.

Just something else to moan about, I'd imagine.

I don't think it's an unreasonable request tbh.

Its a sign of sustainable growth, that the Club (and league) can be taken seriously when making comparisons to Scottish First Div or First Div in England etc.

Fans generally take an interest in all things football related and if we've doubled our attendance in a short period of time people like to know and shout about it. No harm in it... and similar when clubs announce how many season ticket holders they have. Just another benchmark.

[rodgers]

Speaking for myself, I've always been interested in attendances for any football match.

I also think it's relevant to our plans for future funding and development and whether we can ultimately be self sustaining, and in the context of the LOI as a whole versus other activities.

[marcoloco]

Speaking for myself, I've always been interested in attendances for any football match.

I also think it's relevant to our plans for future funding and development and whether we can ultimately be self sustaining, and in the context of the LOI as a whole versus other activities.

100%

Attendances are a direct reflection of how big the club is. We seen this when Derry took 25k to Dublin for the Final...

And if seeking sponsorship then im sure the higher the attendance the most established brands will want to be associated with the club

It's no surprise Virgin Media are now on boards with average weekly attedances across the league sitting at circa 4k. Attendances = credibility.

[IfYouTolerateThis]

Attendance figures are a vital component of any professional club. This shouldn't even need to be asked for. It's embarrassing that fans have to even wonder what the attendances are for games. It makes me wonder what kind of case is being put forward for funding if attendance figures aren't publicised. Shoddy and amateurish.

[PauliAlonso]

It makes me wonder what kind of case is being put forward for funding if attendance figures aren't publicised.

Yes, because our funding applications won't contain attendance figures. Stormont and other funding bodies will be expected to trawl DCChat.com and social media for fans' estimates on attendances.

When I'm sitting in my seat, the last thing on my mind is the official attendance. If they announce it, fine. If they don't, I couldn't care less. I really don't understand why some fans feel the need to be informed of this. You're asking for info that you can't verify anyway. If 2800 is announced but it was actually 3000, would you notice? No. So it's a pointless, meaningless exercise, yet is being used by some as another stick to beat the club with. Focus your efforts on issues at the club that matter. Speak out about getting the MF finished. Or demand better performances from our Belfast mafia. But if announcing attendances is all we can worry about, then the club is doing alright.

[marcoloco]

It makes me wonder what kind of case is being put forward for funding if attendance figures aren't publicised.

Yes, because our funding applications won't contain attendance figures. Stormont and other funding bodies will be expected to trawl DCChat.com and social media for fans' estimates on attendances.

When I'm sitting in my seat, the last thing on my mind is the official attendance. If they announce it, fine. If they don't, I couldn't care less. I really don't understand why some fans feel the need to be informed of this. You're asking for info that you can't verify anyway. If 2800 is announced but it was actually 3000, would you notice? No. So it's a pointless, meaningless exercise, yet is being used by some as another stick to beat the club with. Focus your efforts on issues at the club that matter. Speak out about getting the MF finished. Or demand better performances from our Belfast mafia. But if announcing attendances is all we can worry about, then the club is doing alright.

You could argue the same about jersey's. Lots of supporters take an interest in current and past jerserys, as I do and im sure others do too, despite them all being red and white stripes. Or you could say the same about the pitch - its a football pitch. Who cares if it's plastic or grass? Its meeds the dimensions so it makes no odds as both teams have to play on it...